Liz A. Vogel ([info]lizvogel) wrote,
@ 2008-04-25 19:36:00
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Fannish culture shear
I first read about the Open Source Boob Project via a RL friend's journal, and shrugged with a "eh, typical Detroit-con tackiness". (Read on to learn why that's an indicator that the OSBP is no big deal, and not a condemnation of Michigan sf fandom.) And then I came over here, and discovered that it had made [info]metafandom, with all the kerfluffle that implies.

I'll say that again, because my brain didn't believe me the first time: PenguiCon got metafandomed.

I'm glad I read in the order I did, because the other way around would've made my head explode. As it is, my eyes are crossing. Granted, I probably compartmentalize a bit more than most people, but the intersection of Michigan sf fandom and LJ-based media fandom is... well, there just isn't one. Except suddenly now there is, and a kerfluffle of epic proportions has brewed up out of what is, at base, a huge cultural misunderstanding.

For the record, and for those who aren't experienced with cons, be aware that Michigan sf fandom is not particularly representative of sf fandom in general, and is not at all representative of media fandom in Michigan. The membership overlap between PenguiCon and, say, MediaWest*Con, is almost non-existent. They are very, very different subcultures, with some very different base assumptions.

I'm not sure it's possible to understand Michigan sf fandom without experiencing it yourself. I can give you descriptors: It's a very tactile, sex-positive, body-positive, let-it-all-hang-out little subculture. It's a subculture where a full-body hug from a stranger is the default way of saying "hi, nice to meet you." It's a subculture where a well-known convention member was once escorted to his room by hotel security and told not to come out until he put on pants. (Which is a pity, because the rabbit-skin loincloth had been a fixture of many previous cons without problems. Not surprisingly, the cons have avoided that hotel since.) However, none of this really gives you the feel of it, or makes you understand how very non-threatening it all is.

Michigan sf fandom has three major cons a year (ConClave, ConFusion, formerly ConTraption and now PenguiCon), collectively known as "the Detroit cons" even though they're not always held in or around Detroit. I've helped do the culture-shock pre-briefing for friends attending one of these cons for the first time. ("Here, read the program book. See where they say 15'll get you 20? They're not kidding.") The Detroit cons are, yes, to some extent, a meat market, but it's an equal-opportunity meat market. The propositions go both ways. (Actually, that's hetero-normative of me; the propositions can go any which way you like. The bi, trans, and poly crowds are well-represented.)

And it's not just about sex. If you're feeling starved for human touch, you can stock up a year's worth. If you're into casual physical contact of any kind, you can find people who understand and reciprocate. If you want to be able to enjoy being in your body even though it's not up to supermodel standards, you couldn't ask for a more accepting venue. For many, it's a rare safe space to flaunt what they've got, to whatever degree they want to flaunt it, in a way that they would never feel comfortable doing in "real life". This can mean anything from extravagant ball gowns and tuxedos to, yes, chain-mail bikinis and rabbit-skin loincloths. The local BDSM crowd usually puts in a strong showing. As long as it doesn't actually violate local nudity laws, it's your body; do with it what you will.

It's important to understand that the standing rule at these cons is, look but don't touch. If you want to touch, and you don't know the person, you can ask (politely), but if they say no, that means no. Period. And there are plenty of well-trained con members who will enthusiastically insert that rule forcibly into the skull of anyone who violates it.

It's also important to understand that it's entirely possible to go through the weekend wearing jeans and a T-shirt, and no one will think any less of you for it. Stepping outside of mainstream society's taboos is entirely optional. It's even possible to avoid casual physical contact (by which I mean hugs and the like), although you may need to spend a fair amount of time stepping backwards and saying "no, thank you."

A perfect little utopia of body-positive acceptance, right? Well, no, nothing's perfect. There are several hundred people at these cons; in any group of humans that big, you're going to get an asshole or two. But the asshole percentage is a lot lower than IRL, and generally much less tolerated by the majority. I'm not saying bad shit never happens, but it's rare enough to be a freak occurrence, rather than the obvious result you'd expect from that kind of behavior in the mundane world.

In the context of the Detroit cons, the OSBP is, essentially, just a body-positive human-contact fest that got itself a name and a slogan. (Disclaimer: I wasn't there, but I know IRL some of the people who were. And I've seen enough similar con activities to feel confident in extrapolating. Anybody who was there who wants to contradict me, please do so. (ETA: This post has since been vetted by someone who was there, and given her enthusiastic endorsement.)) I have it on reliable authority that the contact was two-way. Totally voluntary, totally harmless, and generally a very liberating and even joyous experience for those involved.

Yeah, I've read theFerret's post. Translated from Detroit-con-geek-speak, it basically seems to be saying, "Wouldn't it be great if people were more comfortable about their bodies?" And I even think he's got a point, if awkwardly expressed, within the context of the con.

Unfortunately, LJ-based media fandom is a completely different context. You've got the usual internet tendency to get riled up about second-hand and inaccurate information, and to regard fact-checking as YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE OTHER SIDE OMG EVIL!!!! You've got a lot of people who have strong emotional investment in demonstrating their righteous outrage at the -ism of the day. And you've got a lot of people who quite honestly believe in speaking up against social injustice, and who honestly believe this is such a case.

I can't do much about the first two. But for those in the last group, I want you to understand that this event is being taken out of its subcultural context. And like any event being viewed in isolation from the perspective of another culture, it's being misinterpreted. (I feel my anthropology failing, because I want to point to an example from history. The best I can come up with is that it's like saying Native Americans are drug-addicts when really peyote is used in religious rituals, but I recognize that's probably an offensive comparison. Somebody throw me a non-offensive metaphor, please?) Would the OSBP work in the mainstream world? God, no, it'd be a disaster, in all kinds of ways. But flaming the OSBP participants up one side and down the other is culturally insensitive in ways I wish I had the words to adequately express.

It's okay if you wouldn't want to participate in something like the OSBP. I wouldn't either, for the record. It's okay if you don't think the Detroit cons and Michigan sf fandom sound like your cup of tea. But please stop verbally stomping on the people who do find value in it. Your standards of acceptable behavior apply to your own body, no question, but please stop insisting that other people apply your standards to their own bodies.

If you get the chance and feel like playing cultural anthropologist, check out a Detroit con some time. And if you choose not to, please at least recognize that they do things differently over there, but "different" doesn't equal "wrong".





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[info]butterflykiki
2008-04-26 04:11 am UTC (link)
Aha. *gets this somewhat better now* (Here from [info]bentleywg.)

And ya know, if [info]theferrett had added alllllll this backstory onto his post first, and, well, if his phrasing had not been so flippin' ... okay, not going there into a literary critique. But. You're a better writer than he is. You wouldn't have kicked off this kerfluffle.

The backstory is appreciated. Thank you for speaking up, despite the likelihood of flames.

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[info]lizvogel
2008-04-26 05:39 am UTC (link)
You're a better writer than he is. You wouldn't have kicked off this kerfluffle.

Thank you! I'm so glad it was helpful, and not just, you know, me flailing around in my own personal culture clash.

I have to figure that [info]theferrett assumed his audience was all coming from the same subculture, with the same base reference points. Because otherwise... yeah.

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[info]butterflykiki
2008-04-26 05:54 am UTC (link)
No, no, not just you. I mean, I was exchanging comments with [info]zoethe in Liz Marc's journal, when she mentioned the making-out and BDSM parties, as if oh, everyone knew about them! When it was the first time (and this is after I read [info]theferrett's post) that I got an inkling that *her* version of a SF&F convention was not mine (Star Trek, Highlander: the Gathering, and MediaWest only, so far). And, she seemed non-plussed that she even had to explain that. Oy.

I have to figure that theferrett assumed his audience was all coming from the same subculture, with the same base reference points. Because otherwise... yeah.

Boy howdy, and how much not, as you pointed out. People who like drama, people with genuine issues, and people who fight social injustice all hearing his *very* male-centric view on this, without any backstory, well. Yeah. Again, I am just kinda *facepalming* that he and his wife didn't expect the reactions that they got from the internet. As much as you're facepalming, probably, at people's ignorance of what Michigan cons are like, and their extrapolations of events.

It has been a positive week in getting people to talk about past bad experiences, and things they'll do differently at cons they will attend, and for various feminist posts on their views about our culture, body-awareness, boundaries, and male priviledge. But. Yeah. The trolls fanning the flames, and the guys who just don't get any of the reasons people are extrapolating badness, sure as hell didn't help the original poster any.

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[info]lizvogel
2008-04-26 06:36 am UTC (link)
Oh, yeah. Media fandom and sf fandom are such radically different creatures. I want there to be different words for them, not just "fandom". And that's not even getting into the various subsets of each. My brain's threatening to go into mitosis; I'm fairly well-versed in both, but I don't usually have to think in both simultaneously.

Hmm, suddenly I'm envisioning a panel on this at MediaWest, and I don't know whether to bring asbestos armor or popcorn. Maybe both.

I'm glad that some positive discussion has come out of all this, at least. Have you seen [info]synecdochic's "sex-positive". what a loaded term? I don't agree 100% with her interpretation, but her stuff is always worth a read.

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[info]butterflykiki
2008-04-26 06:49 am UTC (link)
Oh, yeah. Media fandom and sf fandom are such radically different creatures. I want there to be different words for them, not just "fandom". And that's not even getting into the various subsets of each. My brain's threatening to go into mitosis; I'm fairly well-versed in both, but I don't usually have to think in both simultaneously.

HEE. Yes. I get that. Not that I'm in sf fandom the way it's been described, but yeah, I get why you're brain is doing the splits here.

Hmm, suddenly I'm envisioning a panel on this at MediaWest, and I don't know whether to bring asbestos armor or popcorn. Maybe both.

Possibly a hazmat suit? heh. I would be there with popcorn, oh believe it. But I don't think I'd have the cojones to say one word.

ANd yup, read synedochic's post, and it actually helped me put this in perspective, a good bit. It at least gave me a frame of reference (Rennfaire) that I could use as a touchstone, and put the finger on what about this bothered me personally (the whole witnessing idea) and what hit other, larger-issue buttons.

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[info]lizvogel
2008-04-27 04:04 am UTC (link)
Possibly a hazmat suit?

*grin* I don't know if I'd say anything either. I thought long and hard before posting this, frankly, and at least here I can go off-line for a while if things get too fraught. (Though so far the comments have all been very reasonable and positive, which is awesome.)

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[info]tlatoani
2008-04-26 03:25 pm UTC (link)
Media fandom and sf fandom are such radically different creatures. I want there to be different words for them, not just "fandom".

I've been involved in SF fandom for years, using that term for it, and it was very jarring to learn what "fandom" meant on LJ. It's like going to a foreign country and learning that when people say "car" it always and only refers to a PT Cruiser.

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[info]bentleywg
2008-04-26 04:11 pm UTC (link)
Or growing up in an Andean country knowing that "cholo" means "someone of mixed indigenous and white ancestry" (and is something to be proud of) and finding out that northern Mexicans and U.S. Hispanics use the same word to mean "gangbanger" and other bad things.

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[info]tlatoani
2008-04-27 02:57 am UTC (link)
Good example too.

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[info]lizvogel
2008-04-27 04:07 am UTC (link)
Wow, yeah, that would be jarring!

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[info]lizvogel
2008-04-27 04:05 am UTC (link)
Yeah. I'm fond of both subcultures, but "apples and oranges" doesn't even begin to cover it.

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[info]theferrett
2008-04-26 02:28 pm UTC (link)
As I've stated before, I forgot my own Rule #2 of Writing For LJ: "Write As If Your Audience Didn't Know You." And hoo boy, did I not.

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[info]lizvogel
2008-04-27 03:59 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I could just watch the misunderstandings happening, like a train wreck you can't get out of the way of. It's a damn shame that so many people got so bent out of shape about something that wasn't really what they thought it was.

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[info]signeh
2008-04-26 01:23 pm UTC (link)
A very cool analysis of both the OSBP and the differences between media fandom and sf fandom in general, especially as practiced in Michigan. I hope that it gets passed along and helps cool the furor a bit.

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[info]lizvogel
2008-04-27 04:13 am UTC (link)
Thanks! I don't hold much hope about cooling the furor -- this is the internet, after all -- but at least it's been useful to some folks. And I haven't needed my asbestos undies yet, which is a pleasant surprise.

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